Outings de figuras públicas: concordas?

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Caso se confirme, temos a hipocrisia extrema de artistas como Ja Rule (assumido homofóbico). Interessante, embora nada surpreendente...


Quanto ao outing de terceiros, é um assunto manhoso. Se por um lado não devia ser assunto tão difícil de discutir publicamente(infelizmente é devido à sociedade que ainda temos), por outro há que respeitar a privacidade das pessoas. Só que tratando-se de figuras públicas com as suas vidas pessoais analisadas ao pormenor torna-se mais difícil pedir privacidade... e quando são publicamente contra os direitos LGBT, como no caso daquele político dos States, então aí torna-se algo "delicioso" de observar...  
 

Como é que o Ja Rule pode ser homofóbico se é um dos melhores amigos da Michelle Rodriguez....... ?

O Ja Rule não é homofóbico. Antes de afirmarem certas coisas percam nem que sejam 5 minutos a pesquisar o assunto.
Epa eu sei que isto é um Forum público e todos podemos dar as nossas opiniões mas tipo...chamar homofóbico a alguém só "porque sim" ou porque "tem ar de ser"  já me parece um bocadinho grave.

Parece que há uma tendencia em associar tudo o que é do hiphop /r´n´b à homofobia.

Se formos por aí....alguem quer falar do NE YO?
 

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Como é que o Ja Rule pode ser homofóbico se é um dos melhores amigos da Michelle Rodriguez....... ?

O Ja Rule não é homofóbico. Antes de afirmarem certas coisas percam nem que sejam 5 minutos a pesquisar o assunto.
Epa eu sei que isto é um Forum público e todos podemos dar as nossas opiniões mas tipo...chamar homofóbico a alguém só "porque sim" ou porque "tem ar de ser"  já me parece um bocadinho grave.

Parece que há uma tendencia em associar tudo o que é do hiphop /r´n´b à homofobia.

Se formos por aí....alguem quer falar do NE YO?
 

Acho que há uma tendência a associar o tipo de comentários abaixo a homofobia. E são-no (já ninguém cai por desculpas esfarrapadas para salvar a imagem pública, certo??). E mesmo não sendo homossexual, tenho amigos homofóbicos que continuariam homofóbicos e amigos caso me assumisse. Por vezes abrem-se excepções individualmente relativamente a generalizações como os preconceitos. Do género; "Eu não digo no teu caso, mas...".

Controversial comments regarding homosexuals by Ja Rule

When interviewed for an article in the September 2007 issue of Complex magazine, Ja Rule spoke against media depiction of homosexuality:
“And if it is, then we need to go step to Paramount, and f*** MGM, and all of these other that's making all of these movies and we need to go step to MTV and Viacom, and lets talk about all these f**** shows that they have on MTV that is promoting homosexuality, that my kids can't watch this s***," he continued. "Dating shows that's showing two guys or two girls in mid-afternoon. Let's talk about s*** like that! If that's not f***** up America, I don't know what is.[”

For the above comment he was publicly impugned by the GLAAD:
“No fair-minded person can look at Ja Rule’s interview with Complex Magazine and believe for one second that his children could be more harmed by what they might see on television than by the vulgarity and prejudice that comes out of their father’s mouth. Now that media have seen Ja Rule's intolerance unmasked by his own words, they have a responsibility not to provide in the future a platform for his ugly, vulgar displays of prejudice.”

During an interview with online MySpace interview channel The Hook Up on October 24, 2007, Ja Rule claimed that Complex magazine had misquoted him, and that he is "not at all" homophobic. He went on in a January 2008 issue of XXL magazine to state his words were taken out of context. He is quoted as stating:

“What I was saying in that article is everyone has that same responsibility. They're absolutely right: Rappers have a responsibility to the kids. But don't just pin it on the hip-hop. If I gotta curb my lyrics or censor what I say, no problem. But if you gonna show sexual images during the daytime for children, that should be censored as well... And I'm not just talking about homosexuality. I'm talking about any sexuality. If it's too sexy for kids, it's too sexy for kids..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ja_Rule#Controversial_comments_regarding_homosexuals

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Como é que o Ja Rule pode ser homofóbico se é um dos melhores amigos da Michelle Rodriguez....... ?

O Ja Rule não é homofóbico. Antes de afirmarem certas coisas percam nem que sejam 5 minutos a pesquisar o assunto.
Epa eu sei que isto é um Forum público e todos podemos dar as nossas opiniões mas tipo...chamar homofóbico a alguém só "porque sim" ou porque "tem ar de ser"  já me parece um bocadinho grave.

Parece que há uma tendencia em associar tudo o que é do hiphop /r´n´b à homofobia.

Se formos por aí....alguem quer falar do NE YO?
 

Acho que há uma tendência a associar o tipo de comentários abaixo a homofobia. E são-no (já ninguém cai por desculpas esfarrapadas para salvar a imagem pública, certo??). E mesmo não sendo homossexual, tenho amigos homofóbicos que continuariam homofóbicos e amigos caso me assumisse. Por vezes abrem-se excepções individualmente relativamente a generalizações como os preconceitos. Do género; "Eu não digo no teu caso, mas...".

Controversial comments regarding homosexuals by Ja Rule

When interviewed for an article in the September 2007 issue of Complex magazine, Ja Rule spoke against media depiction of homosexuality:
“And if it is, then we need to go step to Paramount, and f*** MGM, and all of these other that's making all of these movies and we need to go step to MTV and Viacom, and lets talk about all these f**** shows that they have on MTV that is promoting homosexuality, that my kids can't watch this s***," he continued. "Dating shows that's showing two guys or two girls in mid-afternoon. Let's talk about s*** like that! If that's not f***** up America, I don't know what is.[”

For the above comment he was publicly impugned by the GLAAD:
“No fair-minded person can look at Ja Rule’s interview with Complex Magazine and believe for one second that his children could be more harmed by what they might see on television than by the vulgarity and prejudice that comes out of their father’s mouth. Now that media have seen Ja Rule's intolerance unmasked by his own words, they have a responsibility not to provide in the future a platform for his ugly, vulgar displays of prejudice.”

During an interview with online MySpace interview channel The Hook Up on October 24, 2007, Ja Rule claimed that Complex magazine had misquoted him, and that he is "not at all" homophobic. He went on in a January 2008 issue of XXL magazine to state his words were taken out of context. He is quoted as stating:

“What I was saying in that article is everyone has that same responsibility. They're absolutely right: Rappers have a responsibility to the kids. But don't just pin it on the hip-hop. If I gotta curb my lyrics or censor what I say, no problem. But if you gonna show sexual images during the daytime for children, that should be censored as well... And I'm not just talking about homosexuality. I'm talking about any sexuality. If it's too sexy for kids, it's too sexy for kids..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ja_Rule#Controversial_comments_regarding_homosexuals

E eis que surge isto :

http://www.spinner.com/2007/09/26/ja-rule-looks-in-the-mirror-comes-clean-on-homophobia/


A mim não me parece homofobia. Se calhar há coisas que eu também dispensava que os filhos vissem na tv.



How would you react if one of your kids told you that he or she was gay?

That's their own preference. I'm going to love them regardless. I have relatives that are homosexuals and, you know, they come over for Christmas, hang out. It's something that starts with us. That's why my album is named 'The Mirror' -- because everybody has to look at themselves and take it upon themselves to educate. It's my responsibility to educate my children -- not the TV. I think a visual is more influential than audio, but that goes without being said. You know, that's the world we live in and people are tight in the collar about a lot of issues. It is what it is.

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E eis que surge isto :

http://www.spinner.com/2007/09/26/ja-rule-looks-in-the-mirror-comes-clean-on-homophobia/

A mim não me parece homofobia. Se calhar há coisas que eu também dispensava que os filhos vissem na tv.

"How would you react if one of your kids told you that he or she was gay?

That's their own preference. I'm going to love them regardless. I have relatives that are homosexuals and, you know, they come over for Christmas, hang out. It's something that starts with us. That's why my album is named 'The Mirror' -- because everybody has to look at themselves and take it upon themselves to educate. It's my responsibility to educate my children -- not the TV. I think a visual is more influential than audio, but that goes without being said. You know, that's the world we live in and people are tight in the collar about a lot of issues. It is what it is."

Toda a gente dispensava. Podemos andar aqui às voltas a discutir se ele é homofóbico ou não, mas pelo menos o comentário foi. Para o que ele supostamente queria dizer não era necessário invocar sequer orientações sexuais. Mas, pelo contrário, ele destacou exclusivamente aquilo que entende como a "promoção da homossexualidade".

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São opiniões.

Eu não consigo considerar alguem homofobico por fazer comentarios desse tipo.